Sallie Mae Privitization Information
Date: Sat, 04/21/2007 - 00:51
Sallie Mae Privitization Information
The &25Billion-$60 a share-offer includes $16.5 billion in debt and &8.5 billion in equity, according to CreditSights, a research firm. Private investment firms J.C. Flowers and Friedman Fleischer & Lowe would own 50.2% of Sallie mae. Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase would each own 24.9%.
Even though Sallie Mae says the deal won't affect those who already have the company's loans, consumer advocates say they fear the deal would reduce the information available to the public once Sallie mae becomes a private entity.
"That's one of the concerning pieces"says Luke Swarthout of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.
http://campusprogress.org/speakers/1096/speakers-luke-swarthout.
Sallie Mae agreed to a settlement that calls for it to stop compensating financial aid officers who serve on its advisory board. Sallie Mae will also stop running university call centers at which its staffers often identify themselves as part of a university, rather than as Sallie Mae employees.
For complete story and more details
http://search.usatoday.com/search/search.aspx?qt=news%2Cyss%2Cweb%2Crel%2Cimg%2Ctop10%2Ckmatch&nr=5&s=sb&kw=Sallie+Mae+being+sold&goBtn2.x=12&goBtn2.y=12
Please take time to investigate.....can a student loan financial advisor truly be 100% objective if they are accepting financial compensation from lenders?
Moon's opinion...based upon personal experience! FA's and CA's involved with student loans do misrepresent themselves. And, very often give advice that benifits them more than you. Don't make the same mistakes I did.....be very careful and do a lot of research before signing those promossary notes!
Very good advice.Please gather your research and I will help you
Very good advice.Please gather your research and I will help you if you need me. Our community always needs updated info in all our boards.
Sallie Mae has been a private company for awhile, just like Nel
Sallie Mae has been a private company for awhile, just like Nelnet, Citibank and others.
Sallie Mae was originally created in 1972 as a government-sponsored entity (GSE). The company began privatizing its operations in 1997, a process it completed at the end of 2004 when the company terminated its ties to the federal government.
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Moon's opinion...based upon personal experience! FA's and CA's involved with student loans do misrepresent themselves. And, very often give advice that benifits them more than you. Don't make the same mistakes I did.....be very careful and do a lot of research before signing those promossary notes! |
Keep in mind that the government sets the terms for these loans, not Sallie Mae. The benefits for ALL federally insured loans are set by the Higher Education Act, so the notes are identical no matter what lender you go to. There was no actual harm done to the students, they got the same benefits and terms. FA officers and CA's have nothing to do with any misrepresentation, so you are dead wrong there. Read the Higher Education Act of 1965. When borrowing Stafford loans, it doesn't matter if you go to your loal credit union or Sallie Mae...the prom note is going to say exactly the same thing. A FFELP loan is a FFELP loan!!
In my local paper I read that the school I worked with was getting kickbacks from Nelnet for advertising their consolidations on the Alumni page. The Alumni Association was getting $100 per completed application. Since the kickback stories hit the news, they have broken off ties with Nelnet.
More SLM info and also unfair student lending practices
The private student loan market has grown more than twelve-fold over the last decade and some of these private loans have interest rates as high as 19 percent. That's far more than any student should have to pay for their education. These lenders have been making money hand over fist. Thanks to excessive federal subsidies, the stock prices of major student loan providers have soared. The stock of Sallie Mae, the largest student loan company, had jumped from $3 a share to more than $40. Just this week, a group of investors announced plans to buy Sallie Mae for $25 billion, and its stock price rose to $55.05.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-edward-m-kennedy-/fixing-the-broken-student_b_46155.html
ONGOING PROBE
Cuomo told reporters his investigation continues into other schools and lenders, including CIT Group's Student Loan Xpress. SLM, the first to reach a settlement with New York, has agreed to cooperate with the ongoing probe.
"To the schools and lenders, you now have a choice: you can either settle with us or the investigation will continue," Cuomo said at a Manhattan press conference.
"The real fraud they will find is the herding of middle- and lower-income kids into all kinds of degree schools, and they come out with $40,000 to $50,000 in loans," said Chanos. "We've only just scratched the surface."
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1124543620070411?feedType=RSS&pageNumber=2
Can a Student financial Loan officer truly be 100%objective while accepting financial compensation and other lucrative incentives from lenders?
In recent weeks news reports have documented a range of unethical abuses by student loan companies to gain unfair advantage in marketing their loans to students. I've introduced a bill called the "Student Loan Sunshine Act" to require full disclosure of any and all agreements between lenders and colleges and universities. Lenders would be required to report the terms of their special arrangements with colleges, and they'd be prohibited from offering lavish gifts to financial aid directors and other college employees. The lenders would also have to clearly state the terms and conditions of the loans they offer to students.
For complete Story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-edward-m-kennedy-/fixing-the-broken-student_b_46155.html
- Lender Gifts
* Lenders who participate in the government's Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) program also engage in questionable tactics, like offering "educational conferences" at luxury hotels, and offering college officials free entertainment and tickets to sporting events. Many lenders offer their staff to work in financial aid offices during peak loan processing times, print materials for financial aid offices - and even e-mail students on behalf of the financial aid office.
- Preferred Lender Lists
* Most colleges maintain "preferred lender" lists and encourage students to borrow from the list. While some colleges use a rigorous process to ensure that these preferred lenders offer the best loan terms and conditions to students, others don't - and many preferred lender lists don't clearly state why the lenders has earned "preferred" status. Some preferred lender lists don't offer a real choice of lenders at all - because all the names on the list are subsidiaries of the same big lender.
Student Loan Sunshine Act
What are the dark rituals of this "unholy alliance"? When you're accepted to school and apply for loans, your financial aid office is likely to steer you to its "preferred lenders." NYU, for example, advertises 14 private loans, including the "Citibank CitiAssist Loan for NYU Students" and the "Nellie Mae/Sallie Mae Signature Student Loan for NYU Students." Cuomo's office says 90 percent of student borrowers end up choosing from their school's list.
And lenders may pay kickbacks to schools in exchange for sending the business their way. These can include direct cash percentages on loans, all-expense-paid luxury trips for financial aid officers and their spouses, and setting up funds and credit lines for schools to profit from, to operating call centers for understaffed financial aid offices.
http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/0715,kamenetz,76309,12.html
Mixed in with these scandals are revelations that dozens of universities have inked deals with various lenders to route a percentage of revenue from student loans back to the schools, with the funds often explicitly directed into financial-aid coffers. Congress and at least two states are looking into these inducements, which New York attorney general Andrew Cuomo calls "kickbacks"--a label that seems a tad unfair if the money helps cash-strapped students rather than enrich officials. But with the spotlight now on student loans, critics are clamoring to reform what has become an $85 billion industry.
The roots of today's intrigue date back to 1965, when Uncle Sam began guaranteeing loans to needy students and paying the interest while the borrowers were in college. Because the private sector was still leery of loaning money to kids with no credit history or collateral, the government sweetened the deal by promising lenders a specified interest rate regardless of what student borrowers pay. Add low default rates (due in part to such dire consequences as garnisheed wages and torpedoed credit ratings) as well as soaring tuitions, and--voil????!--lenders are fighting one another to dole out $17 billion in supplemental loans that aren't backed by the government.
The feds tried to cut out the middlemen in 1994 by letting students at participating schools borrow directly from the Treasury. But private lenders have held on to nearly 80% of the market by improving service and offering discounts for such things as on-time repayment. Knowing that many students choose the first entry on a school's list of "preferred lenders," lots of colleges have used these lists to get lower rates for more borrowers, and some lenders have tacked on revenue-sharing deals. "We believed it made good sense to use money that would otherwise go into Citibank's pockets to give more financial aid to N.Y.U. students," New York University spokesman John Beckman said in a statement. His school and five others agreed this month to swear off revenue sharing and repay students nearly $3.3 million.
Other industry tactics also need policing. "I have an invitation in my drawer here to go to the Caribbean for four or five days with my wife, all expenses paid, just to go listen to a student-loan lender," says Dan Davenport, financial-aid director at the University of Idaho, which remains dedicated to direct lending. "There's such big money at stake that people are willing to do many different things to get that piece of the pie."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1609801,00.html
5. A Break for the Unluckiest
Besides the bills already introduced, more student aid reform ideas are likely to get consideration soon. One would involve amnesty for people who've seen defaulted loans double, triple, and quadruple with interest and penalties, growing to amounts too great to repay in this lifetime. Winning this broad relief is a top priority for activist Alan Collinge of Student Loan Justice, who spent this spring crisscrossing the country in an RV, meeting with two-thirds of the 60 legislators on the House and Senate education committees. "They have been very responsive and receptive," Collinge says.
A second area for reform: Getting rid of the bankruptcy exemption. People who run up huge credit card bills or lose their shirts on a business have at least a fighting chance of having those debts cleared through bankruptcy. That's not the case for student loans of any type. The 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act decreed private student loans can't be forgiven in bankruptcy. The same has been true of FFELP and Direct Loans since 1998. Student advocates would like to get rid of both rules and have the courts treat student loans like other consumer debt.
http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/0715,kamenetz,76309,12.html
I hope these links will help all of us who have been mis-guided and now find ourselves in dire circumstances. Please know that you are not alone and many, many poeple are trying to help those of us who did get stuck in these unfair practices.
I for one, am NOT in favor of doing away with the bankruptcy exe
I for one, am NOT in favor of doing away with the bankruptcy exemption. Amend it yes, but eliminate it, definately not. The bankruptcy exemption was put into place mostly due to lawyers and other self employed professionals, taking advantage of the loophole. It used to be a running joke in any law school, that third year law students taking out FA knew exactly what what date they could file Bk on their loans. Many physicians were quilty of this too. Back some years ago, on 20/20 or 60 minutes, a physician bragged how he owed $300k on his student loans and had no intention of paying and that he paid cash for his $500k home. That debt was owed to the California Student Aid Commission, I client I was working for at the time. Needless to say, that physician no longer owns that home...CSAC immediately filed suit against him and seized his home
Students must learn to take personal responsiblity for their education. If you cannot afford to go to the private school and live in the dorms 3 states away without taking gobs of federal and private loans to student art history, should the US taxpapers be responsible for paying your bill when you BK?? Student need to start making responsible choices...there is nothing wrong with living at home and going to your local state college, even for the first couple of years to get rid of the general education requirements.
Moondazer,I am in agreement that something needs to be done cons
Moondazer,I am in agreement that something needs to be done considering the bankruptcy code. That 2005 version really hurt people down here after two hurricanes devastated our state. A bill was introduced in congress to help us down here,but of course it died a quick quiet death in congress.
I certainly do not, nor would I ever agree that every student sh
I certainly do not, nor would I ever agree that every student should simply obtain loans....and then relinquish thier responsibilty to pay off thier student loan debt via BK. However, if they and thier hard working families were intentionally mislead and informed concerning what was in their best interest....due to obvious deception by their Financail Advisor, Student Counselors, as well as the University. Then yes....I do believe the current laws protecting these practices that are literally robbing lower to middle class hard working poeple should be reformed. And, it does not bother me 1 bit that FA's and student counselors will eventually lose what has apparently been a very lucrative deal for them.
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However, if they and thier hard working families were intentionally mislead and informed concerning what was in their best interest....due to obvious deception by their Financail Advisor, Student Counselors, as well as the University. |
Where was the deception?? No student was ever decived or mislead!!! The schools involved with the kickbacks were larger private and public universities. These kickbacks would have been setup by the administration, not the FA officers and counselors. The FA officers would not even have been made privy to the information...prefered lenders have been a standard practice with FFELP loans long before kickbacks started. Several lenders prefer to work with certain lenders due to ease of electonic transfers. No student suffered from these kickbacks...the prom notes they signed were no different from the notes signed by every other FFELP loan lender and Direct Loans. All students borrowing Staffords get and received exactly the same benefits, even with the kickbacks. The schools coffers got the benefit of the kickbacks, not the FA officers or counselors.
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Then yes....I do believe the current laws protecting these practices that are literally robbing lower to middle class hard working poeple should be reformed. And, it does not bother me 1 bit that FA's and student counselors will eventually lose what has apparently been a very lucrative deal for them. |
Reform is needed. However students need to be held accountable for their educational choices. Case in point....why should the taxpapers suck up a BK for a student who decides to get a PhD in English Lit? This is a true case...this particular student had no desire to teach or research, and the only job they could get was in a bookstore. Why should the taxpaper payer pay for their choice?? Other students take out loans to become teachers, engineers or RN's. They go on to become productive earners because they made wise choices. Students have to realize that that degree in Poli Science or history is not a means to a job or an income. Yet it is THEIR choice. Thus they need to be held accountable for THEIR choice. The RN works and pays his or her loan....it just doesnt seem fair that the student who didnt think ahead might be able to ditch their loans when the hard working taxppayers cannot.
When I was collecting, I would regularly see borrowers who defaulted on their $20k loans. Yet on their credit reports I would see a new $20k car loan. They think nothing of paying $250/month on a vehicle that might last them 10 years if they are lucky, yet they igore the student loans that got them the job to pay for the car. Doesnt make sense.
I find it hard to understand why you are so opposed to me simply
I find it hard to understand why you are so opposed to me simply posting truths exposed and published by legitimate publications. And, also of concern to many in our own Congress.
I too am only trying to help the entire situation by helping to inform future borrowers to beware of accepting advice without being very careful to seek out what is truly in their best interest.
I simply posted links to sites where poeple may go and do their own research and hopefully make better informed decisions.
I can see a little on both sides of the argument.But why should
I can see a little on both sides of the argument.But why should a student loan be seen differently from any other debt? Wages can be garnished by going straight to the employer as well, without judgment. In my opinion that is denying due process, and unconstitutional.
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Student loans are nothing like consumer debt. They are for one, not credit based. They are available to everyone, regardless of credit. You don't make payments while in school, and in the case of subsidized loans, the governemnt pays your interest while you are in school.
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Wages can be garnished by going straight to the employer as well, without judgment. In my opinion that is denying due process, and unconstitutional. |
Actually those entering the garnishment processed are allowed by law to appeal the garnishment. They will allow you to appeal based on hardship. However a lot of people fail to do so. These people won't response to a written letter giving them a change to appeal....do you really think they would bother showing up to court for judgement hearing??? I think not.
More links for you the student and potential student
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1176697926130470.xml&coll=1
http://www.collegejournal.com/aidadmissions/newstrends/20070416-hechinger.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17644168/
Federal Family Education Loan Program at the U.S. Education Department, held at least $100,000 in stock in a student loan company, Student Loan Xpress.
http://chronicle.com/daily/2007/04/2007040601n.htm
Ohio launches probe into student loan industry
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/bs_nm/financial_studentloans_dc
Area Colleges Scrutinizing Financial Aid Practices
By Valerie Strauss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 13, 2007; Page B01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/12/AR2007041202337.html
Student Loans
When Student Lenders Compete, N.Y. Wins
Colleges and college aid officials have been funneling their students to big banks like Sallie Mae and Citibank in exchange for cash, gifts and in-kind benefits, according to a series of recent public investigations, the most energetic of which is being led by New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo.
Thus far, the investigations have resulted in the suspension of 10 higher education officials, including Columbia University's director of financial aid, the issuance of almost 100 subpoenas nationwide, and??????? more
http://www.newamerica.net/issues/keywords/student_loans
Please remember that you are not alone simply because you made a mistake in judgement! 80% of all student loans are currently owned by private lenders, and, investigations are continuning into our current administration to just exactly how much they know and just exactly how long they have been aware of these practices!
18 yr. old students and many non-traditional students entering college for the first time depend on their Financail Advisors to advice them! Well, it has become very apparent that yes they were advised....but, not to their benefit! Rather it was the Advisor who benefitted!
I will continue to help in anyway that I can as I find more information into this area!
Many in our Goverment are taking notice of these absolutely deceptive practices.......changes will happen....Don't give up!!
Your post is respectfully noted SOAPLADY. But it could be argue
Your post is respectfully noted SOAPLADY. But it could be argued that students themselves are consumers. Unlike mandantory high school, they decide on which college (or not to attend at all) they shall attend, and I can attest for the cost of books and materials. Goods and services are paid for. I also disagree that bankruptcy reform was put into place by lawyers and other self employed individuals. It is quite obvious that lobbyists for credit card companies and banks are responsible for bankruptcy "reform". Still, I can see both sides of this argument, but stand by my belief that the manner in which student loans are collected and garnished are unconstitutional. We are guaranteed due process before having to challenge a garnishment.
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18 yr. old students and many non-traditional students entering college for the first time depend on their Financail Advisors to advice them! Well, it has become very apparent that yes they were advised....but, not to their benefit! Rather it was the Advisor who benefitted! |
Huh??? The majority of students entering college these days do not even schedule an appointment with an FA officer. The do the FAFSA online, they get a letter with their award and they sign away. Most do not consult anyone unless they need more money. And what about the parents??? Do they not have any responsibiltiy for helping their kids make important financial decisions?? In many cases it is the parents filling out the FAFSA's and then the parents do the accepting of the loans. It happens all the time! It used to bother me no end when a parent would show up in my office with their child, and the child was completely CLUELESS as to what they were borrowing!
The following link goes to the STANDARD promissory note/disclosure statement for ALL stafford loans issued in this country. It is the same for Sallie Mae,Chase, Citibank and your local credit union. Direct Loan's note is the same
http://www.nchelp.org/elibrary/Forms/PromissoryNotesandRelatedMaterials/StaffApp2008.pdf
I have cut and pasted the portion right above where the student signs. Most do not read this, let alone the entire document.
15. I promise to pay to the order of the lender all loan amounts disbursed under the terms of this MPN, plus interest and other charges and fees that may become due as provided in this MPN. I understand that multiple loans may be made to me under this MPN. I understand that by accepting any disbursements issued at any time under this MPN, I agree to repay the loans. I understand that, within certain time frames, I may cancel or reduce the amount of any loan by refusing to accept or by returning all or a portion of any disbursement that is issued. Unless I make interest payments, interest that accrues on my unsubsidized loans during in-school, grace, and deferment periods will be added as provided under the Act to the principal balance of such loans. If I do not make any payment on any loan made under this MPN when it is due, I will also pay reasonable collection costs, including but not limited to attorney????????s fees, court costs, and other fees. I will not sign this MPN before reading the entire MPN, even if I am told not to read it, or told that I am not required to read it. I am entitled to an exact copy of this MPN and the Borrower????????s Rights and Responsibilities Statement. My signature certifies I have read, understand, and agree to the terms and conditions of this MPN, including the Borrower Certifications and Authorizations printed above, the Notice About Subsequent Loans Made Under This MPN, and the Borrower????????s
I think you have proved just exactly what I have been trying to
I think you have proved just exactly what I have been trying to make borrowers aware of....by your total lack of concern regarding individuals who might not have been as blessed as you.
God help the simple poeple out here striving with everything that they have to help their children become the very 1st in their family to have a chance to attend college.
They fill out the forms and sign them because they can't and don't understand them. They have trusted that what their Gov. and the University has sent them would most certainly be honest!
You speak as though every single family and student struggling with these problems set out intentionally from the very start to simply get all of the money that they could w/o any intention of paying it back.
I am not saying that this does not happen. However, I do not believe that these poeple are in the majority.
For any of you that read this and find yourself in trouble.....please know that you are not alone. And do not let anyone make you feel worse than you already do.
If I can offer any encouragement at all please feel free to contact me. Somehow...if all of us who are in trouble strive and fight this battle together...we will succeed!
I have links listed below where you can locate your Senators, congressmen, and also the NACA!
God Bless!
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Excuse me??? What lack of concern have I demonstrated?? When students would sit in my office a blithly sign notes without reading, I would make them go back and read it. I lectured parents that took over their childrens financial aid decisions. I had to sit their and explain to them that their children were legally adults and they need to be involved in the decision making process. I went to college at 17 and I took the time to read and to understand what I was getting into. It has nothing to do with being blessed....it is simply a matter of using common sense and reading a basic document. If you aren't smart enough to follow basic instructions, maybe you are not college material. If I didnt understand, I would ask a question. The student loan system isnt the greatest, but the student who borrows has to take on some responsiblity. Heck, people take more care in signing a car note than a student loan prom note.
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God help the simple poeple out here striving with everything that they have to help their children become the very 1st in their family to have a chance to attend college. |
And the system in place allows them to do so. They just have to take the time to make correct decsions. I was from a single parent household....I had to work my rear off to earn scholarships and what the scholarships didnt cover financial aid did. I worked my summers and saved and held part time jobs in high school and college. My mother couldnt afford anything towards my education other than good advise and wisdom.
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Again you are making generalities. Most students dont bother to even make the attempt to read them because it is boring and doesnt affect them NOW. Time and time again I placed prom notes in front of students and without hesitation they signed without looking it over.
Again you are classifying all FA officers as being dishonest. Most FA officers are 4 year public colleges are state employees not employees or Citibank or Sallie Mae. We gave true and correct advise when asked.
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Where did I say that?? What I said is most students don't think about the future and paying it back when
time comes. Most only think about how they are going to pay their tutition now. They don't think ahead that what their earning potential might be or even if they will graduate employable. Lawyers, doctors,teachers, nurses and engineers have skills leaving still and an expected income, so it is a little easier to gear financial aid needs to an future income. However, as an example here locally to me (friends of friends) a student studying to be an RN just had to go to a private college and live in the dorms while on FA. She could have gone to the local state university and lived at home and received the same RN degree for 25% of the cost. But she choose not to. It was HER choice. Her family wanted her to go to school locally but she fought to go to the private school. Now she is struggling with repaying her loans and could end up defaulting shortly and is whining and complaining that life is not fair. Her coworkers who went to the local university earn exactly the same pay and are coping with their loan repayment. See what I mean in student responsiblity???
Although I know little on student loans,I do understand the conc
Although I know little on student loans,I do understand the concept of opposing viewpoints. I understand both of you ladies stories and simply ask you to try to give each other a little patience. If the guests and other members constantly see two people clashing,they will think it is a free for all and not bother to read it at all. I know that probably won't bother one of you,but it will bother the other. Just agree to disagree and explain your side of things.