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Drowning in student loans

Date: Mon, 01/22/2007 - 17:57

Submitted by BreidenbachC
on Mon, 01/22/2007 - 17:57

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Drowning in student loans


I hope that someone can help me, because I do not know what else to do. I went to see a consumer debt counselor today and they said that they could not help me. I currently have $48,000 in federal student loans and $200,000+ in private (or alternative)student loans. The federal loans have been consolidated and the monthly payment isn't too bad, but when I add up each individual private loan the payments equal almost $1,800 which is more than I make a month. The consumer debt counselor recommended that I look into bankruptcy; however, that is not an option since I have cosigner on the loans. The only way I could file bankruptcy is if I got the cosigner off. To make things even worse for myself, I have $13,000 in credit card debt and am stuck in the payday advance trap.
I know that I have made a HUGE mistake with these loans. I have no excuse except that I wasn't thinking about the end consequence, I was just thinking about providing a good (albeit too good) life for my two children.

ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!


Hi BreidenbachC

At this point, you should consolidate your credit card debts and pdls with one debt management company. You must do it now before any of the creditors decides to file a lawsuit against you for not paying the debts. Once this is done, call the private loan companies and try for some payment arrangements. You need to increase your source of income to keep the payments rolling every month. If you are unable to pay everything simultaneously, apply for forbearance on the student loans. They can wait for a while when you are paying your other debts.


lrhall41

Submitted by Johnson4485 on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 08:57

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Thank you for the advice. I did try to work with a credit counselor to consolidate my debt, but they stated they could not help me and stated bankruptcy might be my only option. Which as I mentioned, isn't really an option for me at this time. There is no way I can increase my income. As it is, I leave home at 6:25am and don't get home until 7:00pm at the earliest. Some nights I don't get home until 9:00. I tried to work two jobs a few months ago and it nearly killed me, plus my two children need me around more than what I am now. So...basically, unless I win the lottery I am screwed! All I can do is hope I can defer the loans until I can find some way to get my cosigner off and then file bankruptcy.


lrhall41

Submitted by BreidenbachC on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 19:38

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I would definitely asked for a forbearance. A forbearance is when the loan agency agrees to stop trying to collect for whatever period of time (could be a year). They will not send you a monthly bill, they will not call you for payments during that time.

You will eventually have to begin making payments, however at least you have some time off to start putting some money aside for these payments, or perhaps finish paying off another debt first.

Good luck!


lrhall41

Submitted by OverMyHead on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 19:48

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I'm not trying to be flippant, but with $248K vested in your education, shouldn't you be near a doctorate's degree?

The problem with student loans are 1) federal loans directly through the government will not be discharged in a Chapter 7; and 2) even private student loans are sometimes guaranteed by the government, which means they might not be discharged in aa 7 either.

If you were to file a Chapter 13 and include the student loans, the court will set a monthly payment based on your income. Also, while you are in a 13 plan, they cannot go after you co-signer. The automatic stay applies to the debt itself, not just one party to the debt.

I know this because I had a guy take out a loan from me, put his car up as collateral, and his mom co-signed (she was not on the title to the vehicle). The loan went delinquent, the mother filed a Chap 13 BK. I called my attorney to see if I could still repo the car ... after all, in my eyes she was merely a cosigner and not on the title at all ... my attorney told me I'll get sued if I take the son's car while mom's covered under the BK.

Getting back to my point, you might not end up sticking your co-signer with the bill just because you file a BK. I would suggest calling a bankruptcy attorney and bring up the situation - see what they say about your co-signer.

I don't normally suggest bankruptcy, but if you don't even make enough income to cover the student loans, there really is no other options besides finding a job that pays more.

Worst case scenario is, that if you don't go bankrupt and they all decide to sue you eventually, you can only have one garnishment going at a time, and the garnishment can only take maximum 25% of your paycheck.


lrhall41

Submitted by DebtCruncher on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 20:00

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DebtCruncher,
You are completely right, with all my loans I should have a doctorate degree. Yet, I was really really stupid. I have bipolar disorder and tend to be impulsive when I am in my manic stage. My weakness is money and the stupid student loans were just way too easy to get. I would get one, plan to use it for bills, get manic and then blow it. So, I would get another and another and so on. All that debt and I only have my bachelors degree. The good news is that my new job offers tuition reimbursement. SO, I can get my masters for free.
Anyway, Thank you so much for the advice. I really do appreciate it.


lrhall41

Submitted by BreidenbachC on Wed, 01/24/2007 - 16:56

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CHOOSE YOUR REPAYMENT PLAN CAREFULLY. "There are a number of different repayment options to help you manage your monthly payments," offering income-based and interest-only payments as examples. Borrowers can also extend their payment terms to lower the monthly payments.

"Each situation would apply for borrowers who are in a position where they need to minimize their monthly payments. Perhaps they are a recent graduate who has just entered the work force,"

* STAY IN TOUCH WITH YOUR LENDER "Make sure they have your current address. You don't want to miss the bills,"

* PAY ON TIME. "It's the best thing to do," Korsvall says. "Sallie Mae offers an interest rate discount when you pay on time. There are no pre-payment penalties."


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Submitted by Davy.Dany1 on Thu, 02/01/2007 - 22:03

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Hey, I know how you feel. I am in the same student loan boat. I owe 49,000.00 and I have 25K in a debt consolidation program currently, so that is one less worry, but I still have 49,000.00 worth over my head.

I have learned from THIS forum that if you pay them monthly, Say 100.00 because that is all you can afford (even if they request a payment of 381.04) that they CAN NOT put you in default. Of course, they will probably hound you like a bloodhound and you will have to explain to them on more than one occassion your situation, but as long as you are paying something, it is my understanding you can not default nor will they try to garnish your check. They can have my income tax--I will let my ex husband claim both of our children and I will change my w4's to more dependants -- so that they will get hardly a penny from my refund.

I will be paying 100.00 a month for the rest of my life, and as long as it is not in default....I will be ok doing this. I have heard that after you pay for 20 or 25 years that they write off the remaining balance. Has anyone else heard this?


lrhall41

Submitted by Linder Lou on Tue, 02/06/2007 - 10:06

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I am a former financial aid officer major university plus I spent almost a decade collecting on defaulted student loans for both the DOE and several FFELP guarantey agencies.

If you consolidate with the Direct Loan program, after 25 years in repayment, they will write off the remaining balance of your account. You will be sent a 1099 on the written off portion and you do have to declare it on your taxes.

Private Loans. Bankruptcy laws changed and like federally insured loans, it is next to impossible to file BK on private student loans. Even when you file a chapter 13, the remaining balance with accrued interest becomes due again at the discharge of the BK. There are some private loan consolidators out there, so there is always the possiblity that you can lengthen your term to lower your payments. Otherwise, private loans are pretty deadly....they will sue for judgement as a routine practice.

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I have learned from THIS forum that if you pay them monthly, Say 100.00 because that is all you can afford (even if they request a payment of 381.04) that they CAN NOT put you in default. Of course, they will probably hound you like a bloodhound and you will have to explain to them on more than one occassion your situation, but as long as you are paying something, it is my understanding you can not default nor will they try to garnish your check. They can have my income tax--I will let my ex husband claim both of our children and I will change my w4's to more dependants -- so that they will get hardly a penny from my refund.


If they are taking your tax return, you are already in default. Paying a $100 per month will not necessarily prevent then from taking further action. They can require that you provide proof of income for a payment plan.


lrhall41

Submitted by SOAPLADY on Wed, 02/07/2007 - 07:15

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Thanks Soaplady for the information.

I am not in default as of yet. They are not going to take my taxes, as I just got approved for yet another year of forebearance. When and if they start getting ugly with me when I start paying WHAT I can and NOT what they are demanding....I will make adjustments to how I file my income tax.

Thanks for clarification on the 25 year repayment write off. Since I have NO assets now, nor will I ever own my home, I will be able to claim insolvency on the forgiven amount.


lrhall41

Submitted by Linder Lou on Wed, 02/07/2007 - 12:27

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I am in a similar situation have federal student loans through SallieMae 30,000 about paid dutifully for 6-7 years needed a forbearance for a year the next year out of my own stupidity did not pay for a year called to try to work something out was told to pay well over 1,000 (which I cannot afford) to get a another forbearance which would be good but I am trying to begin to pay on loans again with something affordable I was told I had no other option but to let it go into default and suffer the consequences of it going into default


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Submitted by anonymous on Thu, 04/05/2007 - 10:53

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sorry I have posted a message on your page explaingin a little more about my situation I am a little new with using these message boards


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Submitted by anonymous on Thu, 04/05/2007 - 22:01

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since my post I received a letter from some agency who bought my loan from salliemae because it is now in default (I thought it took a long time like years and years for a loan to go into default and for the government to garnish wages or income tax, I have not paid for one year) it says that I must pay the full, a little more than 25,000. I do not have it. On the letter it states that I can call to set up a payment arrangment as an option (I think this is good. Is it really? Also I would like to know if I go back to school on scholarships to receive a masters will my loan be deferred?


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Submitted by anonymous on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 06:50

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since my post I received a letter from some agency who bought my loan from salliemae because it is now in default (I thought it took a long time like years and years for a loan to go into default


Nope...270 days of non payment will result in a default claim being filed. It is your guarantor who paid the loan off.

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and for the government to garnish wages or income tax, I have not paid for one year) it says that I must pay the full, a little more than 25,000. I do not have it. On the letter it states that I can call to set up a payment arrangment as an option (I think this is good. Is it really? Also I would like to know if I go back to school on scholarships to receive a masters will my loan be deferred?


When a loan defaults, you loose deferment and forebearance priveleges. While loans are in default, you are ineligible for any financial aid which depending on the school, could include scholarships. Also because your default affects your schools default rate, there may be holds on transcripts.
You can however get these out of default. You can call the agency hold the loan and get set up for a rehabilitation. Rehab requires 9 months of on time payments to get your loans out of default. For $30K in loans, you would be looking at a standard repayment of $300/month to qualify. After 6 months of payments, you will regain financial aid eligibilty. However if you miss a payment before completeing the rehab they will yank it back. Your other option is to consolidate...that will take 60-90 days to complete. Keep in mind with the default comes collection fees. They will be applied to your account at 60 days post default at 18.5%.

At the top of this forum is a sticky on important student loan links. There is tons of information in there about default, rehab and consolidation.


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Submitted by SOAPLADY on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 07:19

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