Miracle Management Group: How reliable are they?

I just emailed her. Is this a good thing or are they going to tell us they can't take our case? Anyway, keep the faith people. More and more are people are noticing that they are being scammed. We need to get our refunds back and then some in my opinion. I wonder if we can sue them for the entire amount of the contract that each one of us signed since they pretty much did absolutely nothing but damage our credit even more. Might be something to look into. At the very least we should all get back retainer fees and setup fees, because in my case, they did absolutely nothing!!!!! And the contact they supposedly had with my creditors, was a LIE!!!!

I too have not recieved my money back either, $12000. I recieved my cancellation letter back in March and have still not recieved any check or phone calls back. She is no longer at the Texas address or phone number. Any ideas?

To Moderator of this forum,

We have found a lawyer who is interested in potentially taking on this case. We need to get the word out to everyone who has posted on this blog.... is there anyway that this site or the moderators of this site can help us do that? When we first sign up to join this forum, we are required to give our email address.... are all of our email addresses on file somewhere? Can someone in charge of this site somehow contact those who joined on to this forum and send out some sort of email letting them know this info? We need all the help we can get so any info you have is appreciated on how we can get the word out to past posters.

i sent carol an email and already got a response. if you are reading this website and mmg owes you money you need to send her an email. this might be the help we have been looking for. i know it does finally give me hope.

k

I talked to carol today also on the phone, she took all my info and my address and my email address, everyone call her and tell her your own situation. She is interested in all of our stories.

Kristiec, i just sent you an email.

I also received an email from Carol. We can only hope this is the break we need.

I just recieved a email from Carol too. I just emailed her this afternoon.

I also emailed Carol this morning and received a reply this afternoon.

How do we get our account information since the wed site does not work? rieckmanpat(at)hotmail(dot)com

PK, sorry to say, your account information is pretty much history. Make sure you have a record of all the payments you sent to MMG/RMP i.e., bank statements.

email Carol, her email is posted on page 135 and keep reading the forum to keep on top of the situation.

Hey Hyla,
What happened to you? You promised me replacement checks on the bad ones you sent me. You told me you were coming into money - Guess you have bought some nice stuff with MY money. You are nothing but a liar. These bad checks are getting turned in. Who's going to take care of your child when you and Chris are in jail from all the wrong and scamming you have done to all of us. We trusted your company to help us not make it worse. As you say on your classmates(dot)com profile - You have a business to help people. You are full of it as I have said all along. Call me when you decide to pay

craziet98, make sure you have copies of the bad checks you she sent you, those will only help incriminate her more.

Pk , i doubt if you can do anything about the account info now, we printed ours out before she shut the sight down. Good luck.

Hyla, if you're reading this (which I'm sure you are you can't stand to be unaware of what's being said about you, you self-centered bitch), keep in mind, d-day for you is coming quickly. By the way, give your attorney a message from me, tell him to shove all his legal bulshit up his ass!

Yes, I made copies of my entire account before they shut me out also. In addition, I have several emails from Hyla and her staff confirming that they owed me money. Let's keep our fingers crossed. They should go to JAIL.

I too spoke with Carol today. She is really surprised at the magnitude of this.

All, if you have NOT contacted Carol at Jay Goodman's Office, PLEASE either email her, Carol(at)jaygoodman(dot)com or phone her(505) 989-8117.

We need everyone's cooperation with this in order to try and salvage any of the money we lost to Hyla-bitch! The more people involved the quicker this thing will take off and the possibility of seeing some of all of our HARD EARNED MONEY we'll see back!!!

Hello everyone. It sounds like we will have too many lawyers involved. They (lawyers) will end up with too much of the refunds. I have a reporter working on this story in Az. from KPHO- Jon Barid. The story should run sometime next week. He has been in contact with the lawyer that is representing the two families in South Carolina. Some how, we all need to go with one Lawyer to prevent them from getting too much money if there is any to get!! Hyla has not contacted be in over a month. Not even her sorry lawyer Mike Gerity. They will all get what is coming to ALL of them!! Weather I get my money or not, they will ALL go to PRISON!!!!!!

i got another email today from a linda sutherland explaining what would happen if there is a classaction lawsuit. i was calculating and my cost would be the setup fee. because i would think with this kind of suit we should calculate all of our fees we paid that they did absolutely nothing for us. that is my opinion but will wait until i hear more. she also said she would post here if and when something else is going to happen. so i suggest anyone that hasnt contacted the jay goodman office do so.

k

Has anyone researched this attorney just to be sure. They seem legit but you know Hyla and Co. seemed legit too. Just making sure and feeling what the consensus is.

He has to be ligit, the people there call you back, phone numbers work, they are not making any false promises, and they are actually TRYING to help us.

Before any of us agrees to anything, I am sure we will be given a written document of some nature describing the fees this attorney will want. This is the bad part in going with an class action attorney.... he wants to get paid and we will have to do this. The question I have is, if we do take Hyla and Co to court, she will probably not have enough money for all of us so then who and how will this attorney get paid? In all honesty, the FTC is a better way to go but unfortunately, they are not acting on behalf of us at this moment. I had a contact's name at the FTC that my congressman wrote to on my behalf. I will find that info and post it again. I think we all need to bombard her office with letters (yes, I am sure everyone is sick of writing letters). I think if she receives as many letters in a week's time that these people are receiving in phone calls, this will come to light with the FTC. Then we won't have to put out attorney fees. Though, I am still interested in this attorney and what they think they can come up with.

Hey everyone...I am going to contact this Carol about what RMP/MMG owes us. We cancelled 8/05 and have had nothing but trouble as all you have had also. The owe us 5411.00 and that is after they take out there fees. Hyla sent me a message telling me that our refund would be sent to our house on 5/30/06 and you can guess what we have got! NOTHING!! Anyway...I will be right there with everyone else. Thanks for the info.

n.m. attorneys sent me e-mail today stating they may go with class action suit only if there is enough people and that they would want 10 percent of what is owed to me by rmp. and the way i understand it they would want this upfront. after being ripped off by hyla i dont have the money they want. sure hope theres another way. they will keep me posted as to what they decide.

Ha ha, up front money. I doubt anyone here would do that. Just burnt too many times. By the way, does anyone else see RMP as a pryamid scheme? I didn't get my money until their house sold. They can not give anyone their money back, only parts of it.

To everyone,

Today June 20, 2006 I went to 5605 N. MacArthur and talked to the front desk. I was told that Risk Management not only ran out on us their clients but also the company that rented them offices at the above address (Ragus) on the 10th floor. Even though they are still on the list of tenants, they are know longer welcome there. They are still receiving mail at this address and it is being returned to where I do not know. I have friends that work for the Unitied States Postal Service, who have given so ideas and are willing to help as much as they can. I have also filed with the FTC, who from my understanding have many complaints against this company to file further action. My advice is for everyone out there who was a client with this company to file with the FTC and State Attorney General so we can prevent Hyla Stanton/MMG/RMP fromever doing business in this country again. Together we are stronger than trying to deal with the above named company and person on our own. For all who are interested in joining this push to get back our money lets exchange email so we can get started. I'll start first

Email deleted as per forum rules-Mike

Iasalle, you have to do something like kcallander @ msn.com for the info to come across.... you can not post email address 'exactly'. I got the email too about the 10% upfront.... no way! Like I said before, the ftc is a better solution.... we just have to keep pushing on them.

One of my Congressmen sent my info to a chairmen at the FTC a while ago...

Ms. Deborah P. Majoras
Chairmen
Federal Trade Commission
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20580-0002

I urge everyone to try an write Ms. Majoras a letter in the next few days... even if you already have submitted a complaint to the FTC. Maybe if enough people target this one representative to receive our letters at the FTC, it will finally bring it to someone's attention. We must keep pressing on the FTC to do something.... I know many do not have that 10% to put out initially.

lasalle(zero)(nine)(one)(six)at AOL (dot) COM.

Sorry, got carried away! In reference to posting made on June 20, 2006.

The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file a complaint or to get free information on consumer issues, visit www.ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft, and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

I'm so glad I found you guys. I've been calling and sending emails to them for months.

Tip: If you are finding that your complaint to any of the above agencieis proved to be worthless--consider not only submitting an online complaint but follow-up with a mailed complaint and attaching a completed fraud report with the following:

Cover letter Summary

Title: SECTION I. This section will contain your Items of Proof List. You can add notes to the different items as you go along. In your narrative, you will refer to each Item of Proof as Exhibit # so and so.


Title: SECTION II. This section will contain your Names and Contacts List. In your narrative, you will refer to Section II-(1,2,3, whichever applies)

Title: SECTION III. This section will contain an elaboration of the Chain of Events. Maintain chronological order at all times.

This will be everything you need for any action taken of any kind.

It does seem like this lawyer firm will cost up front---however, I've spoken to a few people and class action suits have to have a minimum of 25 people and in addition the lawyer works on our behalf accepting no more than a fee and treble costs--since its a civil case. We need to do a quick survey--do a quick post if you are interested---if we have twenty five people---They'll consider take the fees out of the total monies awarded, once they investigate and guarantee that its possible.

Thank you for your inquiry about a possible class action lawsuit against Risk Management Partners aka Miracle Management Group and against Hyla Stanton. As you can imagine, we have received quite a few inquiries.



The purpose of this e-mail is to let you know what we are thinking about at this point. We are reluctant to undertake the costs of financing litigation on our own. However, if enough people were willing to retain us for 10 percent of the amount they were damaged, we could go forward with a class action suit if the total amount of the retainer reached $25,000. One of our first steps would be to hire investigators for approximately $2,000 to determine what assets could be available to satisfy a judgment. After all, there is no point in being successful in prosecuting the case if we cannot get our clients whole or largely whole for their losses. The results of the investigation would be shared with the clients and a decision would then be made as to whether to go ahead with filing the lawsuit. If the decision is to not go forward, the balance of the retainers would be refunded pro rata (less the costs of the investigation).



We are looking into the propriety of posting an e-mail like this to the debt collection website. Before we do something like that, we need to look at it very carefully to be sure it would be ethical to do so.



As things develop, you will receive additional information from us.


Regards,



Linda-lee Sutherland

Paralegal



Jay Goodman, Attorney at Law, P.C.

2019 Galisteo, Suite C-3

Santa Fe, NM 87505

(505) 989-8117

My upfront would be $69... but I am not interested in putting out money that might prove to be a waste of time. I am sure those that are still waiting for their $12,000 back will not have the 10% up front money. That's alot of money to ask of those who are so broke from all of this and can't make ends meet. It doesn't sound like a sure enough thing to get me to invest money into it. They are saying that first thing they will do is an investigation who they will hire investigators to see if they can get money back from these people (more like, if there is any money left to get from these people). If there is money available, they will proceed. If not, they will not do the case and refund money back minus the prorated fee for the investigators. On top of that, not only do they need 25 people, the amount they need to get to start the investigation would have to be $25,000. For me, this is not the way to go. I don't want to invest, or waste, anymore money on the Stantons and their rip-off companies.

I think we need to go with the lawyers, it's our best shot. I have complained and complained to various agencies and have yet to see anything happen. We may be able to talk to Jay Goodman and explain our hesitance to pay up front. Who knows, I am interested in a case against the Stanton's and RMP/MMG but I understand everyone's hesitance to go forward. If you have a better idea, speak up and let's hear it because so far we are spinning our wheels and going nowhere. Did I tell you that this is absolutely frustrating!!!!!!

This is RMPSUX btw!!!!

If you can afford to pay up front, go for it. If I had more on the line then maybe I would, if I could afford it. Everyone's frustrated... but it sucks to spend more money just to get back what is righfully yours to begin with. You can explain your hesitance to Jay Goodman but I doubt that would change much, that's why he is asking for money up front, he is hesitant too. If he does an investigation and puts out the initial money for it, then finds out that there is no money to get or there is not enough money to get, then he is out the couple thousand for investigator fees and nothing to show for it. Good luck to all who wants to pursue this route, I truly hope you get all your money back plus more, but I will not be participating in this case with Jay Goodman unless this "up front" money thing changes. I am done taking chances with this financial thing, I am looking for a sure thing.

That would be alot of money for me ($600).I have one more account to settle and I bet they would take what is left in my accout with RMP.It makes me so mad that I am that close to clearing up my credit and they stole my money!

It would be a chunk of change from me too. But I am willing to give it a shot. Considering the fact that I would have the satisfaction of knowing that they would never be able to live a normal life afterwards and not be able to scam people again, unless its their cell mate.

It sounds to me like this would be a case much like the one in Arizona where they are suing for money as restitution. They would probably be given a time frame to pay people back in like that case.... they still haven't paid everyone back yet from that case. Then you would have to hire someone to go and track them down to take them back to court to get your money. You all will have to be very very patient because this will probably be a lengthy time frame for all this to go down. I am not trying to be pesimistic.... just realistic. I have been researching all this stuff for like a year now and I have talked with numerous people and attorneys including Criag Rabey who sued her in Arizona.

Kristie C. - I definitely hear what you are saying. I am tired of running around in circles. It amazes me that we have to hound the FTC to even get anything going. This compnay stole probably close to 100K of peoples hard earned money and no one seems to care at all. BTW - if he already has a case going against Hyla and RMP wouldn't he already know what they can go after and what they do or do not have in terms of assets?

i am very torn. i am beating my head against a wall to get my money and none seems to help out. then to think that in order to go to court they have to find out if the money is there? well i guess the ftc and government is saying it is ok for this company to do this. i just dont understand how that can be possible. im at at a loss right now thinking that this is ok. i am going to send another letter to the ftc and whomever because this has to be stopped. so what else is there to do?

k

Hi, i am new to this. I happen to find this when last month I went to check my account and the email address was gone and all phone numbers were disconnected. I am so sick over this since they have over $10,000.00 of our hard earned money which we struggled to do our best just to make the monthy payment. Would you believe they even took a payment out of my bank account on 5/2/06. I have done compaints to BBB, FTC, Attorney Generals and Senators.
I am from New York. I will keep checking daily to see if anyone hears any news on this. If I do, I will post it. Now I am just waiting for the creditors to start calling. I had no clue anything was wrong and I have been with them since 10/22/02.

Cindy

What is going on with risk management (miracle management)? Please bring me up to speed someone. I tried to check my account, because this is the first month that no deduction was taken. I live in Pennsylvania. I am only a few months awat from having enough in escrow to settle all debts. I tried to log on to the web site. Where is it?

I don't know about the rest of you but i am just sick of this mess, every time we think it is going our way another block comes up again,, hyla you make me sickkkkkkkkk to my stomach. You have caused so much grief, you will get yours yet, i tell you that your evil ways are catching up with you, smile while you can at all of us,i am sure that you do a lot after reading all the heart aches we all are and have had gone through because of you , you are the most dishonest person i have ever heard of in my life. I think i will write a book about all of this and maybe i can buy a million dollar home and waste the money like you are doing. How do you sleep at night? Don't think that you have won again someone will take this and you will be the one that is crying and worrying about what to do next. Does it make you happy to read that another poor person has found out that you took their money and you didn;t even have the guts to let them know you were shutting down the website so they could print out what you stole from them , gheezzzzzzz

I am interested in the lawsuit but I don't know how I could come up $1140.00 up front. They have $11,400.04 of my money not includinf fees, thats my problem. I've had offers to settle accounts and have nothing now to pay them. I know I could borrow some but no way that much. Next week I get to talk with a TV reporter in Cincinnati. At least there will probably be more people in my area find out and add more complaints to the agencies. I wounder if the attorney could collect enough for the investigation to start something. I'm still waiting to here more from them. blu32 I'm sure interested

To any new people I've only been reading this sites postings for about a month. There is alot of information here. Take the time and go back several pages and read what has been posted by many people across the country. Risk Management Partners has screwed many people.

I an printing out every page from the day I started reading about everyone else's problems 5-12-06 and takeing it to give to the news reporter I meet with Wednesday 6-28. Hopefully when he can read through all this to see how bad it is he may have other ideas for us or even contact some agency that would be the spark to get someone started. I don't know but he helps alot of people in our area with all kinds of problems. I keep everyone posted on anything I am told.

I have filed with the bbb and the ftc today. I hope it helps